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yshimy Wrote:SecretBrisbane and Choco,
You both don't get the point, it is not about a person who drew the cartoons, it is about the nation that supported him and didn't want to appologize.
When the terrorist attacks takes place no muslim nation support it and defend them, so thats the difference.
SecretBrisbane is talking about terrorist attacks and boycotting muslim products, what this BS about???? who did back up these ideologies so you boycott??? Go ahead, be my guest boycott Al QAUDa products man!!!!
Choco,
Donot boycott as you wish, it is a free world. But don't tell us that Danish ppl are being attacked, didn't see, hear or read about a single incident. to be honest i do salute the muslim society there for being very rational and don't just go mad and do crazy things when these cartoons were published. That doesn't mean we will not see this happening in the future, there is always ppl who are not rational and might do these attacks.
About this iraqi moujahedeen army or whatever that called to attack Danish people........ Which country does this army belongs too?????? Iraq??? no it is not, it is just resistance but not a formal army.. DAH
Please get the point ppl, it is about country supporting total valgur opinion or totally disrespectful idea and they support and deffend it.
Lately what they done by this article posted 2 posts before, As i said before, they just trying to make it better because the felt the power of the Muslim nation. YES they felt the heat, they felt their country gonna loose alot. it is not because they respect our religion or respect our feelings. So TO THE HELL WITH THEM, i'll keep my boycott and keep calling for it.
Last, Secret Brisbane
Don't like Saudi rulings?, well it is their way, why are you offended, the people live their accept it, so why the hell you bother?? and by the way, it is working greatly, check the statistics of Crime rate and rape. check the states and Saudi statistics.
Why didn't you speak out your voice for Netherland allowying drugs, or the rest of the world for allowing prostitution?????????? or USA for leathel injection or electric chair???? why it is you only bother about the laws of a country you didn't even step your feet in, or you will never do???? or is it just for the sake of attacking nation or rules. and yes stonning a man is rule for the couple who would f**k each other while they are both married to different people.
Have some sanity. and this point about human rights. HAHAHAHHAHA you make me laugh man and thank god he didn't give you your reasoning ability. GUANTANAMOOOOOOOOOO hehe, human rights!!!!!!
Danish and Norweigan nationals have been attacked and the Danish flag is being burned.
Yshimy,
I IS on the front page of 7 Days newspaper today - www.7days.au
And who cares where this army or not is based, they're still inciting people to attack Danish and Norweigan nationals and the industries. So don't tell me it's not relevant, or that they're acting rationally and with restraint.
Anyway the whole thing is BS and completely blown out of proportion in comparison to many of the things happening in the world today. You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.
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The cartoons were in very bad taste and freedom of speech or not, the editor of the paper made a huge mistake in allowing those to be published. Once again ignorance and lack of respect for other cultures is deemed accepted under the guise of "free speech". Despite this, the world should know by now not to make a mountain out of a mole hill when it comes to these kinds of paper-selling techniques, because in the West freedom of speech is often used for shock value and commercial purposes.
Boycott if you like, but those Danish companies had nothing to do with the newspaper publishing those pictures. Freedom of speech will always be defended because it is better to suffer through the misuse of freedom of speech than be censored on important topics. This is why the Danish people support the right to free speech in this case, even if they found the cartoons to be distasteful. Punish them if you like, but if you really understand their perspective you might think twice.
And for some of you mentioning Ahmadinejad and his comments about the holocaust - he is being just as sensational as the Danish newspaper was trying to be. However, Ahmadinejad is going one step further by hosting a conference on whether the holocaust really happened or not. The idea that the holocaust is a myth and was used as a basis for establishing the state of Israel is such a load of crap. I'm guessing it will be a short conference because there is overwhelming evidence that the holocaust was real and millions of innocent Jews were murdered! There should be more fuss over Ahmadinejad than some cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Just because many Australians dislike Israelis doesn't mean brainless people like Ahmadinejad should be supported with his stupid claims.
(The Ahmadinejad topic should be put in a new thread if it becomes the focus now. I was just saying it is related to this topic in that Ahmadinejad was using "free speech" just as irresponsibly as the Danish newspaper was.)
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Like someone said already, if we boycott products from every country that pisses us off every now and then then we're gonna starve to death.
However, I don't agree with what the Jyllands Posten Newspaper did. Many people argue that it was merely practicing its democratic right of free speech, however, there is a very thin line between free speech and encitement of hatred, and what the paper did was latter. The term freedom of speech is not an bsaolute as it cannot be used to injure or degrade others physically or psychologically because you have thus infringed on their right to live in peace. You are free to practice your freedom of speech as long as you're not using it to stir up trouble or to antagonise a certain group of people for no particular reason as that could only lead to civil unrest and tensions between different communities.
Muslims in Europe have been living in an environment of fear since 9/11 because of the actions of a few misguided individuals. Consequently, many racist individuals within Europe saw this as the perfect opportunity to pursue their own hidden agenda of purifying Europe, and have since vociferously attacked governments for their leniency with these barbarians and demanded strict anti-immigration control measures within europe. Therefore, papers like the Jyllands Posten in Denmark, and the good ol' Sun and Daily Mail in England are just pouring more gas into an already burning house and are doing more damage with their inflammatory remarks which are aimed at sparking an already simmering situation. That is NOT freedom of speech nor should it be allowed anywhere!
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Alcoholic Wrote:And who cares where this army or not is based, they're still inciting people to attack Danish and Norweigan nationals and the industries. So don't tell me it's not relevant, or that they're acting rationally and with restraint.
Anyway the whole thing is BS and completely blown out of proportion in comparison to many of the things happening in the world today. You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.
Ummm I don't think you got Yshimy's point, he was saying the army is a faction not supported by a country/nation, just a bunch of idiotic raWakerleyals. I believe the point he was making is the country they are from do not support that group of idiots, which differs in what happened with the cartoons. If you take something/someone that people hold very dear to them and inappropriately portray it of course people are going to be offended by it.
If you saw a depiction of live cat being skinned in a cartoon would you not be the first to say what kind of sik fk would thing this is funny what kind of fkd up government would support this?
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What if someone link the Jesus with Terror or make disrespectful picture of Jesus? I think reaction would be really severe in southern europe and USA. I am talking about real christian people , not the christian people who attend the church only two times in their entire life ;0).
This happens frequently, and with Mary as well as Jesus. And Christian groups are often vocal in their protests. But it doesn't extend to product boycotts of the countries involved. About the only boycott Christian groups seem to make is of films and TV channels, from time to time.
Boycott if you like, but those Danish companies had nothing to do with the newspaper publishing those pictures.
Amen. Just as the average Muslim has nothing to do with terrorism.
EDIT: Here is a more mature response to the situation:
"We need to counter it by our good deeds, action and work," he advised. Shaikh Khalfan wants measures to be taken to remove misconceptions about Islam in the West. "We must use print media, satellite television channels or hold conferences in places like Denmark to educate people about our religion and beliefs," he believes.
He advised people in the Muslim world not to be reactionary. "Don't get emotional," he suggested and added that people should hold a dialogue with those responsible for such acts and educate them about Islam.
"Education, communication and dialogue are the means to remove misunderstandings not boycott," said Shaikh Khalfan, urging Muslims to say kind words to mankind.[/url]
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Fayez man,
Thanks for clarifing, thats exactly what i wanted to say but seems Choco is not getting it.
Really wise to talk in her language, i liked the comparison you did about the Cat Cartoon.
"out of topic" There is a Mazda Rx8 for sale on exotic motors for 120k 
kelliy, yes man, enough with Ahmadnajad, yes both senarios are abusing the "freedom of speach"
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secretbrisbane Wrote:EDIT: Here is a more mature response to the situation:
"We need to counter it by our good deeds, action and work," he advised. Shaikh Khalfan wants measures to be taken to remove misconceptions about Islam in the West. "We must use print media, satellite television channels or hold conferences in places like Denmark to educate people about our religion and beliefs," he believes.
He advised people in the Muslim world not to be reactionary. "Don't get emotional," he suggested and added that people should hold a dialogue with those responsible for such acts and educate them about Islam.
"Education, communication and dialogue are the means to remove misunderstandings not boycott," said Shaikh Khalfan, urging Muslims to say kind words to mankind.[/url]
This sounds like the ONLY true solution for creating better understanding and reducing offence and conflict.
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Alcoholic Wrote:You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.
nah, he wouldn't give a damn about Cartoon, nor about holocaust, nor about homless dogs nor cats, nor about fur industry, nor about pollution, nor about WMD, nor about religion (depends), nor about rules or regulations, nor about society or values, nor about anything but to get his food even if it required him stealing it.
Should we allow stealing?!!!!don't try to strip the events from everthing and try to work on the micro level than the macro level.
And you are asking me to put it in perspective, and what does this poor starving boy got to do with that!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angryfire: :banghead:
YOU DON'T MAKE SENSE
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Agreed education is the only weapon against ignorance. (actually I mentioned that a few posts back as well)
As for the RX8, I ended up buying an SUV I have my family coming to visit and my girlfriends plus a few of my friends so as much as it killed me to do it, I bought something practical the RX8 will have to wait until we can afford 3 cars.
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"A Danish company said two of its workers were assaulted in Mecca."
This is on the article of the seven days.
Quick analsys, If they are in Mecca, it means they are Muslims, and then will not be attacked, as they will yell "La illah illa allah)
If the are not Muslims, then they will not be in Mecca and this news will be a FABRICATION.
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jacky Wrote:Alcoholic Wrote:And who cares where this army or not is based, they're still inciting people to attack Danish and Norweigan nationals and the industries. So don't tell me it's not relevant, or that they're acting rationally and with restraint.
Anyway the whole thing is BS and completely blown out of proportion in comparison to many of the things happening in the world today. You think a starving child gives a rats arse about a cartoon? Please do me a favour and put it in perspective.
Ummm I don't think you got Yshimy's point, he was saying the army is a faction not supported by a country/nation, just a bunch of idiotic raWakerleyals. I believe the point he was making is the country they are from do not support that group of idiots, which differs in what happened with the cartoons. If you take something/someone that people hold very dear to them and inappropriately portray it of course people are going to be offended by it.
If you saw a depiction of live cat being skinned in a cartoon would you not be the first to say what kind of sik fk would thing this is funny what kind of fkd up government would support this?
yeah true !! not only that gov. NEVER support, but they even
condem most ofthe actions of these rebellious morons ... if denmark
wouldnt act on the newspaper, legally i mean in some sort of fine or
something legal, then it only showsthat the gov. is somewhat supporting
this stupid piece of journalism ... like i said the newspaper's apology is not
enough the GOV should make a legal case against the PAPER and The
GOv. would have to make a LAW that provides protection to religion
against any form of attacks ... only by this way i think we can say that its
JUST fair ....
Being a DJ is not a GOD given talent !!!!
its a Gift ..... by who ??? .... hmmmm
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There have been non-Muslim workers in Mecca - whatever telco company put the mobile network in Mecca used non-Muslim workers. It was kept extremely discreet (the Saudi authorites gave the nod but would obviously not officially, publically acknowledge it) but there was no choice, since the skill levels required were so high-level and specific and there was no suitable muslim employee available, presumably.
So I bet this has happened in other instances too.
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Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 . News paper shuld understand what is its responsibility toward society.
This is the first time local countries earned respect before me ,love u Saudi local 
what to reply to choco and secret ,they are jst insisting for nothing  .
Choco has more respect for "Robbie Williams" than Jesus .
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Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 .
If you are suggesting that printing a rather tasteless cartoon is in some way analogous to murdering several thousand people - including muslims - in one fell swoop, then I really pity you, and your (lack of) intelligence.
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D-Unti (dodo) is danish national ,can anyone of you beat her up ,but remember she has expertise in martial arts.
Dodo Bi(t)ch where are u , lost somewhere in Brisbane? I miss u :0) . When are you coming back to Denmark. DK and especially your shop is deserted without u ..........Dont tell me that you have initiated " Bycott DK's product" in Middle east :wink:
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secretbrisbane Wrote:Freedom of speech doesnt mean to divide the entire world between muslims and non-muslims,thats what the news paper did. They created the same situation as it was on 9-11 .
If you are suggesting that printing a rather tasteless cartoon is in some way analogous to murdering several thousand people - including muslims - in one fell swoop, then I really pity you, and your (lack of) intelligence.
Being Muslim we believe that killing one innocent person is like killing humanity :0) . We always condem killing regardless if it is the blood of muslim or non muslim :0). So there is no debate on it , so why are u trying to relate it with 9-11 ? Am i clear off? I told u earlier that we even provided air and ground space to USA to hunt down so called terror ,or whatsoever.
Having said that
Now i say
News papers must realize their responsibility toward society and they shouldt divide the world in two group " Muslims and western".
If you are more dumb then lets take an example (guide for dummies):
some people ,personality has respect in different societies , cultures , religions so and so. May be i dont have respect for British Queen but i wouldnt say anything about her because i know our british fellow will consider it disrespect ........
In same way , we wouldnt write anything bad about jesus , we know lot lot of people in this world are sensitive about him.
Indian worship their gods and i dont have right to make fun of them .
Bycott is fair
I know that arla is innocent but how do you build pressure on another country ? Countries dont have conscience, country is not individual , so in order to make them that they were on mistake , we have to do some tricks:0) . USA impose sanction against countries .......for example they imposed sanction against Libya and then libya had to accept the terms of US.....Whats was the fault of all people ? were everyone responsible ? NO .......but thats the way sweety:0)
In order to teach the lesson to DK , there was one way and it was to bycott their products and now see
1= Their news paper offered appology (after 3 months) ,why it happened because they are suffering from loss.
2= The anti immigrants lady silent , she is not even making a little statement. She know people will curse that because of her we are having loss.
3= Prime Minister 's speech was translated in Australian ,why he realized that ?because of bycott :0).
4= Danish industry sent letter to concerning news paper ........
next time they will think 101 times before doing anything like that :0)
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