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- kelliy - 02-01-2006
mINOR pLEASURE, what is "my side"? I am not Danish and I did not make the cartoons.
So no one cares to comment on the fact that it really might be the case that free speech is what is being defended, not offensive cartoons to Muslims? Again, the Danish people are not in some anti-Muslim conspiracy!
Some Muslims on this board refuse to listen to any contrary evidence or cultural explanations - they just want to believe in conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy!
- westerndiamond - 02-01-2006
whoa! I guess HP, Brisbane, YSHIMY have covered almost every single bit to this issue & I agree with them. If others fails to understand, no point in extending this. Christian or no Christian. Western or no Western. Its not about this.
Kenelli, nothing like Muslims are watching the fur fly.. Brisbane can be aggressive in puting his word...otherwise I support him and his views on this, totally.
We Muslims feel insulted, we chose to take action by bycotting as a personal choice... simple. This topic is not for Non muslims anyway cause they are not the one affected.
No point giving you guys example of susbstituting Jesus or the Bible in the place of Quran, and Prophet Mohd. (PBUH) cause I see that your not sensitive enough towards your religion, your not religious. (no offence) The same if was done about someone you really Loved... was accused of something that theyre not, you'd just wana kill that person...like Arnie- MP case... Arnie is pissed.
So please now, Leave us Alone and dont make it worst.
- gangster - 02-01-2006
westerndiamond Wrote:whoa! I guess HP, Brisbane, YSHIMY have covered almost every single bit to this issue & I agree with them. If others fails to understand, no point in extending this. Christian or no Christian. Western or no Western. Its not about this.
Kenelli, nothing like Muslims are watching the fur fly.. Brisbane can be aggressive in puting his word...otherwise I support him and his views on this, totally.
We Muslims feel insulted, we chose to take action by bycotting as a personal choice... simple. This topic is not for Non muslims anyway cause they are not the one affected.
No point giving you guys example of susbstituting Jesus or the Bible in the place of Quran, and Prophet Mohd. (PBUH) cause I see that your not sensitive enough towards your religion, your not religious. (no offence) The same if was done about someone you really Loved... was accused of something that theyre not, you'd just wana kill that person...like Arnie- MP case... Arnie is pissed.
So please now, Leave us Alone and dont make it worst.
Sorry EJ
I beg to differ. The difference being that although i think MP and some others on here are mentally mixed up, i do not wish them dead or speak ill of the dead.
Religious or not, i can stand tall and say i do not have the hatred inside me, that some on here clearly do.
And there is a huge difference regarding being sensitive to one's religion and being totally obsessed to the point of pure hatred.
Who the hell are you or anyone else to judge, how close any of us is to our given or religion? Speak for yourself and keep your opinions to yourself. You know nothing about me or the vast majority on here or anywhere else.
If being true to one's religion means, that one goes through life with that much hatred inside, then i truely feel deep sympathy for them.
- gangster - 02-01-2006
and EJ
No we wont leave things alone, this is a Public Forum. If people dont want to be openly challenged, then they had best keep their insular opinions to themselves.
- westerndiamond - 02-01-2006
gangster Wrote:and EJ
No we wont leave things alone, this is a Public Forum. If people dont want to be openly challenged, then they had best keep their insular opinions to themselves.
Sorry I mentioned it. Ofcurse it is a public forum & I thot everybody was pretty much done with this subject... so now what are you gona do bout it force us your views..
- gangster - 02-01-2006
westerndiamond Wrote:gangster Wrote:and EJ
No we wont leave things alone, this is a Public Forum. If people dont want to be openly challenged, then they had best keep their insular opinions to themselves.
Sorry I mentioned it. Ofcurse it is a public forum & I thot everybody was pretty much done with this subject... so now what are you gona do bout it force us your views..
No in the west we refer to it as "a right to reply". This is something a lot of you have no concept of sadly.
- westerndiamond - 02-01-2006
Are you high? What is up with you?? what is this 'west west west' arguement for?? what is this division for? I know you dont care, but sadly, your turning out to be less wise then I presumed.
- gangster - 02-01-2006
westerndiamond Wrote:Are you high? What is up with you?? what is this 'west west west' arguement for?? what is this division for? I know you dont care, but sadly, your turning out to be less wise then I presumed.
Ask Brisbane and Co. EJ, they are the authority on "division".
And it wasn't written in respect of an arguement. It was a factual statement. Most of the middle east is not democratic, the "right to reply" is therefore usually more often than not "supressed".
It is the very reason why papers like the Kaleej Times and Australia News are subject to restrictions on what or how they can report. For example the subject surrounding "child Jockeys" is never mentioned. However it is freely reported in our press.
It is a quincential and pivotel agrguement within the topic at hand. Things have been posted here on a topic, and we have a right to reply.
- gangster - 02-01-2006
........ and EJ
You are wrong a lot of us do care. I for one agree that it was most dis-respectful what the Danes put in the paper.
Just because some of us disagree with certain periphery issues that have since come up in here, doesnt mean we "dont care".
Having an alternative viewpoint or opinion, doesnt mean that that i/we do not care.
- kelliy - 02-01-2006
gangster, it doesn't matter that many of us said the cartoons were really distasteful and shouldn't have been published. It doesn't matter that we tried to explain the importance of free speech in our cultures, no matter if it is abused or not. No one cares what we say!
NO LISTENS OR CARES BECAUSE WE ARE WESTERNERS AND AUTOMATICALLY EVIL.
- gangster - 02-01-2006
Totally agree K.
I find it interesting that they, in all probability, truly do believe that the likes of you and i, Choc etc dont care.
In many respects, this is very sad indeed. I believe there is an element of "indoctrination", that doesnt permit or has allowed them to see all issues with a balanced viewpoint. It takes away their ability to be "rational" and to have nothing other than a tightly focused perspective.
EJ whom i like very much, is fairly representative of this and is at the thin end of the scale, as opposed to the likes of Brisbane and co, who are at the extreme end.
EJ in particular took my post out of context purely because i referred to the situation in "the west" allowing our ability to a right of reply.
Sadly for the lovely people like EJ, because they are not aware of reporting restrictions for example Australia, they see this as a form of crtisism, when it comes up in conversation. Sadly they take it personally.
- Brisbane - 02-01-2006
Eastern Jewel, just give up my sister. These people are too narrow minded and set in their ways... I doubt its possible for them to see the light.
I know its frustrating but just recite the Shahada or Fatiha to yourself and you will feel much better.
- gangster - 02-01-2006
Brisbane Wrote:Eastern Jewel, just give up my sister. These people are too narrow minded and set in their ways... I doubt its possible for them to see the light.
I know its frustrating but just recite the Shahada or Fatiha to yourself and you will feel much better.
There ya go K
My case rests
- mINOR pLEASURE - 02-01-2006
we all never like the cartoons ... period .. EJ is right .... and EJ FYI I WAS ON YOUR SIDE ever since...
and
kelliy heheheheehehe yes i know i was in the wrong thread hahahaahah how embarrasssing heheheeh sorry :oops: :oops: :oops:
- Brisbane - 02-01-2006
gangster Wrote:Brisbane Wrote:Eastern Jewel, just give up my sister. These people are too narrow minded and set in their ways... I doubt its possible for them to see the light.
I know its frustrating but just recite the Shahada or Fatiha to yourself and you will feel much better.
There ya go K
My case rests
Yes your case and proof of stubborness rests. Congrats!!
- gangster - 02-01-2006
We will just have to agree to disagree Brisbane. In any case i will let the silent majority form their own conclusions.